Windows 8 CP

PBMCMLXXI

Hi,
May be worth one of the dev’s downloading W8 CP *64.
Install issues are back from the dev preview.
The updater crashes.
Extracting an archive takes a longer time than W7.
It would not extract to the roaming folder, encounters permission errors.

I also tested Win RAR *64 and no issues (other than icon overlay, which as with Powerarchiver are fixed with the initial choose what to open this with)

Just thought would bring it to your attention.

spwolf

@pjb:

Hi,
May be worth one of the dev’s downloading W8 CP *64.
Install issues are back from the dev preview.
The updater crashes.
Extracting an archive takes a longer time than W7.
It would not extract to the roaming folder, encounters permission errors.

I also tested Win RAR *64 and no issues (other than icon overlay, which as with Powerarchiver are fixed with the initial choose what to open this with)

Just thought would bring it to your attention.

cool beans Microsoft!

RJWaring

If i remember correctly, we had similar issues when we went from XP to Vista. And some minor performance issues with Windows 7.

:) Just part and parcel of upgrading software.

PBMCMLXXI

@Sir Richard - totally agree, part and parcel of upgrading software, but when MS said a while ago any thing that runs on W7 will run on W8 you at least expect that to happen ;) well may be with a pinch of salt :)

@spwolf - Yep, indeed cool beans MS, cool jolly beans. :)

I tested it at work yesterday (as I was due to format my pc there) and that’s when I found those issues - along with all the other annoying stuff MS have so far implemented to slow productivity. I was glad to re-format my PC to clean W7 after the test. :)
I have still kept a VM of W8 at home which I may get to do some tests on over the weekend.

spwolf

@pjb:

@Sir Richard - totally agree, part and parcel of upgrading software, but when MS said a while ago any thing that runs on W7 will run on W8 you at least expect that to happen ;) well may be with a pinch of salt :)

@spwolf - Yep, indeed cool beans MS, cool jolly beans. :)

I tested it at work yesterday (as I was due to format my pc there) and that’s when I found those issues - along with all the other annoying stuff MS have so far implemented to slow productivity. I was glad to re-format my PC to clean W7 after the test. :)
I have still kept a VM of W8 at home which I may get to do some tests on over the weekend.

PA is actually included in their testing runs, we had MS contact us last year for the permission. Obviously thats very cool and at the same time, it seems those bugs were “differed” as these big companies usually do :-).

What did you make VM in, vmware?

I just hope they wont destroy it for us, it seems to me a lot of things are being pushed because of tablets, onto desktop users, which might actually make people switch to something else that doesnt force them to do so :-).

RJWaring

I understand that Winzip has already created a free Ipad application.

obviosly doesnt do the job the full app does but you a rite its a sign of things to come.

MS Using PowerArchiver for testing is great news! Could even open some doors in the future. :)

I think the future is touch screen Laptops, Media Centres and Ultra Pads, with simplistic user interfaces that rely on touch or sound to react.

If this means we have to adapt then so be it! i remember being many debates between myself and conexware about moving PA forward with features that are now part of PA and every other archive competitor. :)

If that means seeing PowerArchiver evolve from computer to pad’s then so be it.

PBMCMLXXI

@spwolf:

PA is actually included in their testing runs, we had MS contact us last year for the permission. Obviously thats very cool and at the same time, it seems those bugs were “differed” as these big companies usually do :-).

What did you make VM in, vmware?

I just hope they wont destroy it for us, it seems to me a lot of things are being pushed because of tablets, onto desktop users, which might actually make people switch to something else that doesnt force them to do so :-).

The test was on my ‘proper’ workstation (work pc) - clean W8 CP *64 install. Have reverted my ‘proper’ workstation back to W7 so I can actually work on it :)

I have VM Ware on my workstation, and therefore plan to do a clean install of W8 CP *64 on that, so that can do further testing when time permits.

Totally agree they seem to be forcing desktop users away - it seems W8 is predominantly tablet/touch screen orientated.
There should be no reason why PA should not work in W8 if MS were serious about testing your software. It’s really annoying.
Desktop PC’s are going to be here to stay for a long time, they are so much more productive then laptops/netbooks/tablets etc.

To add to MS bad W8 planning, my boss tried it on his netbook, none of the things on the start screen would launch as it complained about the resolution - well the device screen is not designed to be above 1024*768! Good old MS.

Personally for me as a full time Tech, I see going from PC’s to Pads as a backwards move. Far less productive and less efficient - like I say that just my opinion.

RJWaring

I was at a tech show a few weeks back.

Asus, Samsung & Hp were showing off there brand new power tabs. the asus had a tablet with an i7 CPU, 8 gigs ram with a Nvidia GTX gpu. " They wouldnt show us the true specs"

The screen sizes were staged between small 10, medium 15 and large 17 inch i think.

On each Brand they had docking stations with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, The Asus and HP Models were using Windows 7 Utimate and Samsungs Googles new Chrome OS.

The asus team who had the most impresive model demoed to us playing Crysis 2 at full resolution amoungst other things like office 2010, internet streaming HD Movies, auto cad with 3D Graphics. They then took the unit off the cradle and it turned into a tablet style interface. “a simple skin change which is available in Win 8”

So in princible when on the dock it acted like a full blown Mid to high end PC Workstation with a Windows 7 enviroment and off the dock changed to a tablet skin interface with larger buttons.

The PC is just evolving once again and soon the typical large Computer Case with a seperate Monitor will die off. A sign of this has already begun as demand over the last 5 years has droped year after year by roughly 10 to 15% with Laptops and Tablets growing in demand.

The PC Box is soon to die its a matter of time. These PowerPads are the future for sure. When the 1st laptop came out the sceptics all said it wouldnt replace the PC. Most busineses and Home users now own a Laptop as they are cheaper to produce, can be stored away easily and consume less energy and perform practically 95% of the tasks the typical pc user requires them to.

But one thing is for sure a typical bog standard Andriod and IOS Tablet will never ever replace a full blown PC Enviroment for busineses and power users!

spwolf

Richard,

convertibles are cool… and then Win8 should have the setting for convertibles.

But annoying 99% of your users (desktop) is counter productive.

I have had iPad for quite a while now… for business use, it is as good as iphone. Which is not really. For media consumption, it is great.

spwolf

when I say Desktop, i mean Desktop version of Win8… same goes for notebook users really.

Desktop/Notebook demand in the world did not come down last year, pads just shot up. Market for AC :P

guido

If you have the Win8 version working. Why not start on WP7 :-)

RJWaring

@spwolf:

when I say Desktop, i mean Desktop version of Win8… same goes for notebook users really.

Desktop/Notebook demand in the world did not come down last year, pads just shot up. Market for AC :P

HP, Dell and Asus submited a decrease in demand for Desktop’s PCs and market research backs the decline in the majority of end users requiring them.

However, Laptops, notebooks and the new Allinone systems showed an increase.

You could argue that the All in one is a “desktop”. and i would agree ever so slightly.

Although to me a desktop PC is something that can be upgraded, doesnt come with inbuilt monitors and noramlly has a life span of 5 to 7 years before it becomes to slow for modern software.

Where as Laptops, Netbooks and Notebooks are usualy less than 3/4 years. “depending on the specs of course”

spwolf

@Sir:

HP, Dell and Asus submited a decrease in demand for Desktop’s PCs and market research backs the decline in the majority of end users requiring them.

However, Laptops, notebooks and the new Allinone systems showed an increase.

You could argue that the All in one is a “desktop”. and i would agree ever so slightly.

Although to me a desktop PC is something that can be upgraded, doesnt come with inbuilt monitors and noramlly has a life span of 5 to 7 years before it becomes to slow for modern software.

Where as Laptops, Netbooks and Notebooks are usualy less than 3/4 years. “depending on the specs of course”

as I said, when i said desktop, i only meant desktop version of Windows 8 vs tablet/Metro version.

they are basically forcing tablet/metro onto everyone so they can sell more of them… but if they keep forcing it like this and making it harder to use than Win7, they will start losing more marketshare in desktop.

spwolf

we will of course take a look at these issues next week…

spwolf

here is the test setup:
http://www.powerarchiver.com/test/alpha120/powarctest.exe

if you get exception, can you send us stack trace like last time please? Thank you!

spwolf

hm, i just tested with latest version on the site and all was well? It installed without any problems. ZIP was fast as usual, but 7zip seemed slow, not sure if thats trully something wrong.

davidsplash

rumours out that microsoft will enter the compression market with there own program and format.

PBMCMLXXI

@spwolf:

here is the test setup:
http://www.powerarchiver.com/test/alpha120/powarctest.exe

if you get exception, can you send us stack trace like last time please? Thank you!

Hi,
Just got around to testing the file.
I tested it on a VM.
I can confirm that it installed ok, the only configuration required is the right click on a .zip file etc, to choose programme to open with, so that the correct icon shows - other than that, it seems to work normally :-)

spwolf

@pjb:

Hi,
Just got around to testing the file.
I tested it on a VM.
I can confirm that it installed ok, the only configuration required is the right click on a .zip file etc, to choose programme to open with, so that the correct icon shows - other than that, it seems to work normally :-)

latest download 12.12 also worked fine for me?

PBMCMLXXI

@spwolf:

latest download 12.12 also worked fine for me?

Hi,
I just reverted the VM to clean.
I can also confirm that 12.12 installs ok (with both UAC on and UAC off), with same right click - choose default association required.

spwolf

i think default association is win8 thing for sure, it wont leave :-). they have done it on purpose.

i bet we can sidetrack it too :)