BETA: PowerArchiver 2023 - 22.10.02

[davidsplash]

sounds like this guy is a reseller of winrar as i have followed his stepps and can not reproduce it on either a windows 2000 machine or a windows 98, i was aked to be a reseller but turned it down as i know for a fact taht pa is a better and more supported archive program

[HandsomeGuy]

@davidsplash:

sounds like this guy is a reseller of winrar as i have followed his stepps and can not reproduce it on either a windows 2000 machine or a windows 98, i was aked to be a reseller but turned it down as i know for a fact taht pa is a better and more supported archive program

Man, I am NOT a damn reseller of any software. I really don’t care if people use PA or WinRAR or Winzip or whatever else. I only moved to WinRAR because of problems with 7-zip. I even said I always liked PA, but these 7-zip problems have been a real pain in the ass and I’ve had enough of it not being fixed. But hey, if thinking I am a WinRAR seller turns you on, then enjoy it man.

[TBGBe]

Sorry I missed something…
@HandsomeGuy:

I have always had troubles with 7-zip with PA.
…
but these 7-zip problems have been a real pain in the ass and I’ve had enough of it not being fixed.

Are you saying that you have the same “problems” both when using the 7-Zip utility itself and when using 7z format in PA?
If so, then assuming you are using current versions of both, it is not the “empty folders” problem - that is only in PA. At first I was thinking it was the “files in use” problem, but you say you did the same as me using XBMC_src-v1.1.0 - so it cannot be that either.

If you really do wish to have the problem fixed, then since spywolf, davidsplash and myself can not reproduce it, I would ask that you give a lot more details.

1. Use a specific example that we can also access (the Source Files XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar I linked to will do if you do not have a smaller example).
2. In PA, what options are active under “Configuration - Miscellaneous”.
3. Describe step by step how you are compressing. Include PA viewstyle etc if within PA or which option if using Explorer shell (if you are not using “Compress with options…” then also describe which Compression Profiles are in PA).
4. Describe step by step how you identify that files/folders are missing.
5. Please make the effort to identify what is missing (at least which folders if not specific filenames).

Note: it may be an inherent problem in the 7z compression itself - but spywolf is able to identify that and pass the information on if needed.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

Sorry I missed something…

Are you saying that you have the same “problems” both when using the 7-Zip utility itself and when using 7z format in PA?
If so, then assuming you are using current versions of both, it is not the “empty folders” problem - that is only in PA. At first I was thinking it was the “files in use” problem, but you say you did the same as me using XBMC_src-v1.1.0 - so it cannot be that either.

If you really do wish to have the problem fixed, then since spywolf, davidsplash and myself can not reproduce it, I would ask that you give a lot more details.

1. Use a specific example that we can also access (the Source Files XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar I linked to will do if you do not have a smaller example).
2. In PA, what options are active under “Configuration - Miscellaneous”.
3. Describe step by step how you are compressing. Include PA viewstyle etc if within PA or which option if using Explorer shell (if you are not using “Compress with options…” then also describe which Compression Profiles are in PA).
4. Describe step by step how you identify that files/folders are missing.
5. Please make the effort to identify what is missing (at least which folders if not specific filenames).

Note: it may be an inherent problem in the 7z compression itself - but spywolf is able to identify that and pass the information on if needed.

No, the problems do NOT occuer in 7-zip File Manager, only PA.

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

No, the problems do NOT occuer in 7-zip File Manager, only PA.

OK. You already said it isn’t the “empty folders” problem anyway.
Are you willing to provide the full description I asked for?

[davidsplash]

i have tested with 7zip file manager and can not get the same results reported as a fault. What exactly is the fault?

The results produced were the same as powerarchiver, but were displayed differently on winrar. but essentially they were the same.

This there something bi’m missing?

[TBGBe]

@davidsplash:

i have tested with 7zip file manager and can not get the same results reported as a fault. What exactly is the fault?

HandsomeGuy has now said that the problem does not occur in 7-Zip, only in PA using 7z compression.

The references to WinRAR are just confusing things as that cannot perform 7z compression. So I basically ignore them (along with the poor attitude). I do not want to get into fruitless arguments and name calling.

The current problem I’m concerned about is that when compressing “thousands of files and folders”, using 7z format via explorer shell menu, the archive file created is missing some Files and Folder(s).

He also mentioned setting options (Ultra & Solid) so I suppose it was actually via “compress with options” and not “compress to xxx.7z” - but even that is still not clear.

At one point he reported the created archive was missing one folder then later folder(s) and 3 to 5 files. No idea if any or all of the files were in the missing folder(s) or not. Nor has he said how he determined that they were missing in the first place. Apparently, he then deleted the archive so cannot refer to it for more info.

Other than that, he’s told us nothing that enables reproducing the fault.
That’s why I asked for a detailed description of a new compression attempt - although he has also indicated that he may just “give up”.

We just have to wait and see if there is a reproducible problem.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

HandsomeGuy has now said that the problem does not occur in 7-Zip, only in PA using 7z compression.

The references to WinRAR are just confusing things as that cannot perform 7z compression. So I basically ignore them (along with the poor attitude). I do not want to get into fruitless arguments and name calling.

The current problem I’m concerned about is that when compressing “thousands of files and folders”, using 7z format via explorer shell menu, the archive file created is missing some Files and Folder(s).

He also mentioned setting options (Ultra & Solid) so I suppose it was actually via “compress with options” and not “compress to xxx.7z” - but even that is still not clear.

At one point he reported the created archive was missing one folder then later folder(s) and 3 to 5 files. No idea if any or all of the files were in the missing folder(s) or not. Nor has he said how he determined that they were missing in the first place. Apparently, he then deleted the archive so cannot refer to it for more info.

Other than that, he’s told us nothing that enables reproducing the fault.
That’s why I asked for a detailed description of a new compression attempt - although he has also indicated that he may just “give up”.

We just have to wait and see if there is a reproducible problem.

If ur such a PA genious, u’d know that you can change the default PA 7-zip compression options, and once set, you can then right click and choose compress to xxxx.7z. That is what I’m doing.
Also, I KNOW the files, folders are missing because when I have uncompressed them and then selected them all and gone to properties menu, I get some figures on Windows Explorer. Then I go to the original files and do the exact same thing, and the figures are different. Why? Where have the rest of the files/folders gone?
Also, the “attitude” u describe is natural, as it happens so easily for me, and yet you have a hard time beleived me or replicating the problem.

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

If ur such a PA genious, u’d know that you can change the default PA 7-zip compression options, and once set, you can then right click and choose compress to xxxx.7z. That is what I’m doing.

I only said that I was a user not a genius, but if you check you will see that I asked if you use “Compression Profiles” in my description request. You had not mentioned them previously.
@HandsomeGuy:

Also, I KNOW the files, folders are missing because when I have uncompressed them and then selected them all and gone to properties menu, I get some figures on Windows Explorer. Then I go to the original files and do the exact same thing, and the figures are different.

OK, that’s first time you have actually mentioned that you are uncompressing the archive, up until now it is possible that you were checking archive properties or using explorer view or some other method and that the problem was in that display. But still you haven’t answered the question previously asked by spwolf and myself - how are you uncompressing?
@HandsomeGuy:

Also, the “attitude” u describe is natural, as it happens so easily for me…

It may be natural the first time time you report a problem. It is not (or at least it should not) be continued when you start getting responses asking for more details.
@HandsomeGuy:

… and yet you have a hard time beleived me or replicating the problem.

I do not think I have ever said that I do not believe you. But - yes, I have repeatedly said I cannot replicate the problem. So have other people.
You will note the length of this thread and you are still providing “bits” of information not previously mentioned.

If it is not possible to reproduce the problem, it is highly unlikely that the developers will be able to find and then fix it. So again, is that a “no” as far as providing the full description in one place is concerned?

[HandsomeGuy]

I am decompressing by using PA to open the 7z file and then extracting that way.

[TBGBe]

So again, is that a “no” as far as providing the full description in one place is concerned?

[TBGBe]

On the assumption that there is no “fault” in PA’s compression, that leaves us with the “files in use” problem.
Having been reminded by Charles, it is possible that the problem you are seeing is caused by a “third party” utility which is preventing PA accessing the files.

This is usually (but not exclusively) an “anti-virus” or similar.
When PA accesses the file for compressing, this access is prevented because another utility is accessing the file.

The “files in use” problem is that PA will not add the file to the archive AND does not give any warning that this file has been skipped.

There are a few threads on this topic - e.g. this thread in the WishList
http://www.powerarchiver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900

[Shivan]

This guy is very rude!!

I’ve never had much problems with PA - if there was a problem, it would be fixed!

You guys should just ignore him!

Keep up the great work!

[spwolf]

@TBGBe:

On the assumption that there is no “fault” in PA’s compression, that leaves us with the “files in use” problem.
Having been reminded by Charles, it is possible that the problem you are seeing is caused by a “third party” utility which is preventing PA accessing the files.

This is usually (but not exclusively) an “anti-virus” or similar.
When PA accesses the file for compressing, this access is prevented because another utility is accessing the file.

The “files in use” problem is that PA will not add the file to the archive AND does not give any warning that this file has been skipped.

There are a few threads on this topic - e.g. this thread in the WishList
http://www.powerarchiver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900

Actually no - 7zip will add files in use. It is ZIP format that does not (but still it gives error that files are in use, with list of files not compressed).

You can try it out by playing an mp3 file lets say and then trying compression with different formats.

[Ricco]

@spwolf:

Actually no - 7zip will add files in use. It is ZIP format that does not (but still it gives error that files are in use, with list of files not compressed).

You can try it out by playing an mp3 file lets say and then trying compression with different formats.

Yes. Here is just to say again that I hope this could be fixed soon. The different behavior which PA performs in different archive format is very annoying.

[TBGBe]

@spwolf:

Actually no - 7zip will add files in use. It is ZIP format that does not (but still it gives error that files are in use, with list of files not compressed).

You can try it out by playing an mp3 file lets say and then trying compression with different formats.

I had read the thread and as no-one mentioned specific formats, I thought it was a general “problem”. Thanks for the update/correction.

[TBGBe]

@Shivan:

This guy is very rude!!

I hope you were not referring to me, if so I assure you it was unintentional. :o
If you are referring to some of the comments by Handsomeguy, then I recommend you ignore them and/or put it down to frustration. Please do not respond in kind and start a “flame war”.
If that happens, the thread will just be locked and nobody wins.
@Shivan:

You guys should just ignore him!

He has already said that he felt ignored and that it only increased the frustration when he was trying to report a problem and get it fixed.

[TBGBe]

@BrianMcN:

When I tried to compress 150 PSD file of about 30 Megabytes each. It wold go through the compressing stage, but when it finish is said it could not find the directory. When I put only 30 of these PSD files into a zip file it worked ok. This was with Beta 1 of 9.5 I have not tried it with Beta 2 :rolleyes:

Windows XP SP2

I suggest you try again with PA 9.5 Beta 3.
I don’t have any PSD files so just downloaded 5 examples from http://www.elated.com
Didn’t see your problem, but these were a lot smaller (200k - 2MB) and anyway only 5 files doesn’t mean much.

If your problem still exists I would start a new thread.

[TBGBe]

Unfortunately, real life has intervened.
I will not be able to follow up on this thread until next week.

If another “regular tester” is willing, could I ask you to follow up on any further posts from Handsomeguy - concentrating on identifying the problem and not on starting a “flame war”. If you do try but find that you are put off by any abuse, just ignore the thread and I will follow up next week.

->spwolf
Please monitor and delete any spurious/off-topic posts in preference to locking the thread. If there is a problem I want to find it.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

On the assumption that there is no “fault” in PA’s compression, that leaves us with the “files in use” problem.
Having been reminded by Charles, it is possible that the problem you are seeing is caused by a “third party” utility which is preventing PA accessing the files.

This is usually (but not exclusively) an “anti-virus” or similar.
When PA accesses the file for compressing, this access is prevented because another utility is accessing the file.

The “files in use” problem is that PA will not add the file to the archive AND does not give any warning that this file has been skipped.

There are a few threads on this topic - e.g. this thread in the WishList
http://www.powerarchiver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900

NO, the files are NOT is use at all. I don’t have any active anti-virus or spyware utlilty running. Besides, these apps only run when I manually start them, such as X-Stup Pro 3.1.
So that theory is not correct.