BETA: PowerArchiver 2023 - 22.10.02

[HandsomeGuy]

Well, where can I begin…

I have my 7-zip at the default settings, except that I have enabled Solid Archives and Ultra memory compression settings.

I tried to compress X-Setup Pro 7.1 which contains 10 folders and 1,051 files totalling 11.9MB.

Also, XBMC which contains 11 folders and 1,352 files totalling 152MB.

Now what really gets to me is how easy this problem has been happening for me and a few others, yet PA “testers” cannot get those problems.

Like I said, don’t bother fixing it, I have given up really. PA was good before, but now with WinRAR so much more rleiable and faster, who needs the crappy unstable PA anyways. And to think I really liked PA once.

Maybe the 7-zip feature zupport should be removed altogether.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

Just a thought - could it be that the “missing folder” in the archive was empty (no files or also only empty sub-folders)?
There was a problem with this particular situation but I cannot remember if it was 7z or another format.

Even if a folder is empty, i expect it to be compressed if I have selected it. This isn’t a feature, this is a damn stupid bug.

[spwolf]

@HandsomeGuy:

Well, where can I begin…

I have my 7-zip at the default settings, except that I have enabled Solid Archives and Ultra memory compression settings.

I tried to compress X-Setup Pro 7.1 which contains 10 folders and 1,051 files totalling 11.9MB.

Also, XBMC which contains 11 folders and 1,352 files totalling 152MB.

Now what really gets to me is how easy this problem has been happening for me and a few others, yet PA “testers” cannot get those problems.

Like I said, don’t bother fixing it, I have given up really. PA was good before, but now with WinRAR so much more rleiable and faster, who needs the crappy unstable PA anyways. And to think I really liked PA once.

Maybe the 7-zip feature zupport should be removed altogether.

and what happens actually when you compress it to 7zip?

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

I have my 7-zip at the default settings, except that I have enabled Solid Archives and Ultra memory compression settings.

I tried to compress X-Setup Pro 7.1 which contains 10 folders and 1,051 files totalling 11.9MB.
Also, XBMC which contains 11 folders and 1,352 files totalling 152MB.

OK, I don’t know so did a Google for “XBMC”
Result -> http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/
Went to the Downloads page and selected:-
(Source Files) XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar
Size : 67,136,925

With PA 9.5(beta3) installed:

Explorer Shell - PowerArchiver->Extract to folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders
Now I realise this is not what you were trying to report, but still I’ve got this far…

Explorer Shell - Folder - PowerArchiver->Compress with Options…

Format : 7z
Add Files
Active Options :: Ultra, Include System & Hidden Files, Solid

This gave me XBMC_src-v1.1.0.7z
Size : 58,394,962 :D

Again Explorer Shell - PowerArchiver->Extract to … > XBMC_src-v1.1.7z

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

So I’m back to
@TBGBe:

I have tried - but obviously something was different to way the reporter is using PA.

:confused:

[HandsomeGuy]

@spwolf:

and what happens actually when you compress it to 7zip?

Read the top of the post man.
But basically, i’m losing folders/files that are shown up once you open the 7-zip archive to the contents I compressed. So in other words, what i’m compressing contails 111 folders and 1500 files, the 7-zip file shows there are 1495 files and 108 folders.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

OK, I don’t know so did a Google for “XBMC”
Result -> http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/
Went to the Downloads page and selected:-
(Source Files) XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar
Size : 67,136,925

With PA 9.5(beta3) installed:

Explorer Shell - PowerArchiver->Extract to folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders
Now I realise this is not what you were trying to report, but still I’ve got this far…

Explorer Shell - Folder - PowerArchiver->Compress with Options…

Format : 7z
Add Files
Active Options :: Ultra, Include System & Hidden Files, Solid

This gave me XBMC_src-v1.1.0.7z
Size : 58,394,962 :D

Again Explorer Shell - PowerArchiver->Extract to … > XBMC_src-v1.1.7z

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

So I’m back to

:confused:

Well, there is something very wrong here, because whenever I do that same step, I lose files/folders during compression.
Also, I don’t right click and select “extract to”, i open the file in PA and extract that way. But I still rightclick and compress files to 7-zip. I have 1GB of memory, so I doubt its memory related, even though I know 7-zip is a very big system hog.

Are there other programs apart from 7-zip and PA that has full support for 7-zip files?

[spwolf]

@HandsomeGuy:

Read the top of the post man.
But basically, i’m losing folders/files that are shown up once you open the 7-zip archive to the contents I compressed. So in other words, what i’m compressing contails 111 folders and 1500 files, the 7-zip file shows there are 1495 files and 108 folders.

I have to ask questions, trying to determine what is actually happening. It went from 1 folder missing, to 3 folders and 5 files. Do you know what were these folders & files, anything specific about them?

It really has absolutly nothing to do with bug report you have linked in your first post, since that has been fixed.

For Terry’s post, I checked on empty folders and indeed PA does not save empty folders for 7zip. This is something we can add/fix in the next release.

Only way we can see and find these things is if people ask questions and try to reproduce it.

We are thankful for any kind of bug report, since anything will show us some error, but more info you give, it will be fixed sooner and easier.

thanks,

[spwolf]

@HandsomeGuy:

Well, there is something very wrong here, because whenever I do that same step, I lose files/folders during compression.
Also, I don’t right click and select “extract to”, i open the file in PA and extract that way. But I still rightclick and compress files to 7-zip. I have 1GB of memory, so I doubt its memory related, even though I know 7-zip is a very big system hog.

Are there other programs apart from 7-zip and PA that has full support for 7-zip files?

How are you selecting these files? Are you selecting files/folder inside the folder or just an original folder? Is “normal relative path” option in config enabled?

Did you actually try extracting the files to the hard drive and comparing them?

thanks!

[HandsomeGuy]

@spwolf:

I have to ask questions, trying to determine what is actually happening. It went from 1 folder missing, to 3 folders and 5 files. Do you know what were these folders & files, anything specific about them?

It really has absolutly nothing to do with bug report you have linked in your first post, since that has been fixed.

For Terry’s post, I checked on empty folders and indeed PA does not save empty folders for 7zip. This is something we can add/fix in the next release.

Only way we can see and find these things is if people ask questions and try to reproduce it.

We are thankful for any kind of bug report, since anything will show us some error, but more info you give, it will be fixed sooner and easier.

thanks,

No, I don’t know anything about the folders concerned. I can’t be bothered looking at whats missing or why. I just know that some files/folders are missing and I delete the 7-zip archive and use WinRAR instead.

I don’t know what other info I can give to help you guys.

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

Also, I don’t right click and select “extract to”, i open the file in PA and extract that way. But I still rightclick and compress files to 7-zip

OK, using the XBMC_src-v1.1.0.7z I created above…

Double click to open in PA.
Toolbar extract button -
Enter Foldername XBMC_src-v1.1.7z

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

Menu : Actions ->Extract
Enter Foldername XBMC_src-v1.1.7z2

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z2 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

Switch PA to Explorer View
Status shows 5759 Files :: 527 Folders
Click on XBMC_src-v1.1.0 and drag onto explorer window
Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 526 Folders

However - this is correct because, of course, the main folder “XBMC_src-v1.1.0” is not included!
Is this where you believe you were “losing” one folder?

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

OK, using the XBMC_src-v1.1.0.7z I created above…

Double click to open in PA.
Toolbar extract button -
Enter Foldername XBMC_src-v1.1.7z

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

Menu : Actions ->Extract
Enter Foldername XBMC_src-v1.1.7z2

Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.7z2 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 527 Folders

Switch PA to Explorer View
Status shows 5759 Files :: 527 Folders
Click on XBMC_src-v1.1.0 and drag onto explorer window
Folder XBMC_src-v1.1.0 Size: 194,504,076 :: 5759 Files :: 526 Folders

However - this is correct because, of course, the main folder “XBMC_src-v1.1.0” is not included!
Is this where you believe you were “losing” one folder?

No, this is not where I was losing files/folders as I never compress from the top folder. I always compress the same way I do in ALL programs, including PA and WinRAR. Its not an error on my part people, i’m not a novice with computers and compression programs. Its not my 1st cup of tea.

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

Well, there is something very wrong here, because whenever I do that same step, I lose files/folders during compression.

@HandsomeGuy:

No, this is not where I was losing files/folders as I never compress from the top folder.

Now I am completely lost! Both statements cannot be correct.

I’m back to
@TBGBe:

I have tried - but obviously something’s different to way {you are} using PA.

[davidsplash]

sounds like this guy is a reseller of winrar as i have followed his stepps and can not reproduce it on either a windows 2000 machine or a windows 98

[davidsplash]

sounds like this guy is a reseller of winrar as i have followed his stepps and can not reproduce it on either a windows 2000 machine or a windows 98, i was aked to be a reseller but turned it down as i know for a fact taht pa is a better and more supported archive program

[HandsomeGuy]

@davidsplash:

sounds like this guy is a reseller of winrar as i have followed his stepps and can not reproduce it on either a windows 2000 machine or a windows 98, i was aked to be a reseller but turned it down as i know for a fact taht pa is a better and more supported archive program

Man, I am NOT a damn reseller of any software. I really don’t care if people use PA or WinRAR or Winzip or whatever else. I only moved to WinRAR because of problems with 7-zip. I even said I always liked PA, but these 7-zip problems have been a real pain in the ass and I’ve had enough of it not being fixed. But hey, if thinking I am a WinRAR seller turns you on, then enjoy it man.

[TBGBe]

Sorry I missed something…
@HandsomeGuy:

I have always had troubles with 7-zip with PA.
…
but these 7-zip problems have been a real pain in the ass and I’ve had enough of it not being fixed.

Are you saying that you have the same “problems” both when using the 7-Zip utility itself and when using 7z format in PA?
If so, then assuming you are using current versions of both, it is not the “empty folders” problem - that is only in PA. At first I was thinking it was the “files in use” problem, but you say you did the same as me using XBMC_src-v1.1.0 - so it cannot be that either.

If you really do wish to have the problem fixed, then since spywolf, davidsplash and myself can not reproduce it, I would ask that you give a lot more details.

1. Use a specific example that we can also access (the Source Files XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar I linked to will do if you do not have a smaller example).
2. In PA, what options are active under “Configuration - Miscellaneous”.
3. Describe step by step how you are compressing. Include PA viewstyle etc if within PA or which option if using Explorer shell (if you are not using “Compress with options…” then also describe which Compression Profiles are in PA).
4. Describe step by step how you identify that files/folders are missing.
5. Please make the effort to identify what is missing (at least which folders if not specific filenames).

Note: it may be an inherent problem in the 7z compression itself - but spywolf is able to identify that and pass the information on if needed.

[HandsomeGuy]

@TBGBe:

Sorry I missed something…

Are you saying that you have the same “problems” both when using the 7-Zip utility itself and when using 7z format in PA?
If so, then assuming you are using current versions of both, it is not the “empty folders” problem - that is only in PA. At first I was thinking it was the “files in use” problem, but you say you did the same as me using XBMC_src-v1.1.0 - so it cannot be that either.

If you really do wish to have the problem fixed, then since spywolf, davidsplash and myself can not reproduce it, I would ask that you give a lot more details.

1. Use a specific example that we can also access (the Source Files XBMC_src-v1.1.0.rar I linked to will do if you do not have a smaller example).
2. In PA, what options are active under “Configuration - Miscellaneous”.
3. Describe step by step how you are compressing. Include PA viewstyle etc if within PA or which option if using Explorer shell (if you are not using “Compress with options…” then also describe which Compression Profiles are in PA).
4. Describe step by step how you identify that files/folders are missing.
5. Please make the effort to identify what is missing (at least which folders if not specific filenames).

Note: it may be an inherent problem in the 7z compression itself - but spywolf is able to identify that and pass the information on if needed.

No, the problems do NOT occuer in 7-zip File Manager, only PA.

[TBGBe]

@HandsomeGuy:

No, the problems do NOT occuer in 7-zip File Manager, only PA.

OK. You already said it isn’t the “empty folders” problem anyway.
Are you willing to provide the full description I asked for?

[davidsplash]

i have tested with 7zip file manager and can not get the same results reported as a fault. What exactly is the fault?

The results produced were the same as powerarchiver, but were displayed differently on winrar. but essentially they were the same.

This there something bi’m missing?

[TBGBe]

@davidsplash:

i have tested with 7zip file manager and can not get the same results reported as a fault. What exactly is the fault?

HandsomeGuy has now said that the problem does not occur in 7-Zip, only in PA using 7z compression.

The references to WinRAR are just confusing things as that cannot perform 7z compression. So I basically ignore them (along with the poor attitude). I do not want to get into fruitless arguments and name calling.

The current problem I’m concerned about is that when compressing “thousands of files and folders”, using 7z format via explorer shell menu, the archive file created is missing some Files and Folder(s).

He also mentioned setting options (Ultra & Solid) so I suppose it was actually via “compress with options” and not “compress to xxx.7z” - but even that is still not clear.

At one point he reported the created archive was missing one folder then later folder(s) and 3 to 5 files. No idea if any or all of the files were in the missing folder(s) or not. Nor has he said how he determined that they were missing in the first place. Apparently, he then deleted the archive so cannot refer to it for more info.

Other than that, he’s told us nothing that enables reproducing the fault.
That’s why I asked for a detailed description of a new compression attempt - although he has also indicated that he may just “give up”.

We just have to wait and see if there is a reproducible problem.