What do you think of Vista?

spwolf

I have had Vista installed for past 1-2 months, when we were testing PA on it. It is an latest revision - 5472.

I have to say, against popular belief and articles, 5472 is pretty fast. I didnt really notice it being slower than XP.

Of course, gotta get used to it and not all software works properly on it right now, which is why I am still using XP, but I am pretty sure I will jump to Vista as soon as official version is out.

guido

Do you know if WR, eh PA, works on Vista?? :D :D

I haven’t used Vista at all, but I have been reading about it a lot. Are there any problems with PA on vista? Do we get any improvements by installing PA on Vista.

Guido

spwolf

@guido:

Do you know if WR, eh PA, works on Vista?? :D :D

I haven’t used Vista at all, but I have been reading about it a lot. Are there any problems with PA on vista? Do we get any improvements by installing PA on Vista.

Guido

from Vista build 5472, PA works great.

Improvements are in what Vista offers - nicer interface, better filesystem that saves versions of your files (you can recover later on), etc.

All PA features work fine in Vista…

amh209

I’m not sure that Windows Vista will be worth the money to upgrade to. I have WMC 2005. My system is very stable, plays all the games I want, records the shows, makes DVDs, and allows me to do everything I want. Since I have no issues with XP WMC, I’m not sure why I should upgrade my computer to Vista?

Trying to pursade people to upgrade to Vista is going to be MS biggest challenge. Why should I get rid of something that is working so well? I went from Windows 98 that blue screened once everyt other day to XP that hasn’t crashed in months (my fault on the crash, installed the wrong drivers and created my own headaches, but the restore feature fixed the problem).

Is Vista going to be $150+ better than XP?

spwolf

@amh209:

I’m not sure that Windows Vista will be worth the money to upgrade to. I have WMC 2005. My system is very stable, plays all the games I want, records the shows, makes DVDs, and allows me to do everything I want. Since I have no issues with XP WMC, I’m not sure why I should upgrade my computer to Vista?

Trying to pursade people to upgrade to Vista is going to be MS biggest challenge. Why should I get rid of something that is working so well? I went from Windows 98 that blue screened once everyt other day to XP that hasn’t crashed in months (my fault on the crash, installed the wrong drivers and created my own headaches, but the restore feature fixed the problem).

Is Vista going to be $150+ better than XP?

thats true… thing is that you get an OS when you get new PC, so thats where you will get Vista for sure…

And what if it has better recording functions (which I dont use in my XP MC, so I dont know about Vista), maybe it will be worthwhile?

Not sure, but I am pretty sure that they are mostly counting on new purchases…

amh209

I agree, the new computer market will be more than likely where MS gets their biggest sale. Although, if they do make big improvements with the MC sideof it, I may just have to go buy a copy. I would of never of thought that I would use the MC side of it so much, but I have come to really like it.

guido

You cannot play all your games on XP. As far as I know, directX 10 will only be available on Vista.

So if there’s one reason to go to vista it’s the games.

Guido

amh209

So far, I haven’t found a game yet that I can’t play. The only game I’ve even been interested in lately is COD3, but it appears right now that it might be released as console only game.

guido

Halo 2 will be vista only. No word about Crysis yet.

Guido

spwolf

@guido:

Halo 2 will be vista only. No word about Crysis yet.

Guido

that would actually suck…

amh209

I never have played Halo 2.

davidsplash

One point to make when people rushed out to buy the first releases of windowd 98 and xp they found quickly that it didn’t live up to expectation. Not all drivers and software worked. I would advise a few years down the line to get vista. Considering that buying it would not be worth it as it needs more ram more memory and more hard drive space than say windows 98 2000 and xp.

Unless all the major sotware like office 2003 and word perfect and firefox and thunderbird and photoshop and??? many many more software runs on it than at present, it would be a major purchase for people even to buy a new computer.

I THINK MICROSOFT WILL FORCE US TO GET IT EVENTUALLY, THOUGH.

Basically i don’t want to fork out for a new computer and then the software all over again. i have invested a lot of time and money in software and to upgrade will be a huge investment.

I would go for it if i could use my existing software on it. Then again if i could why buy it, when i can do all i want at the moment.

Under the hood its just a windows update like windows 98 was to windows 95.

same goes for windows 2000 to windows xp

guido

Under the hood its just a windows update like windows 98 was to windows 95.

This is the thing why you have to get vista.

2000 = windows version 5.0
XP = windows version 5.1
Vista = windows 6

Vista is not an update of XP. It is a new version.

The reason for me to get vista is for the stuff under the hood. Almost everything under the hood is rewritten. Extended file system. A new driver model, so drivers cannot make Vista crash. Able to run widows as a limited user. No more kernel patching for stability. These are just a fragment of what has changed.

Guido

davidsplash

there are still going to be crashes and lock ups it happens with any computer more memory is going to be needed and less compatability with existing software. Basically i can see your point. But i can also see the point from developers will it or wont it let us do things.

Is going to be as good as it sayes. they said windows xp was good and going to change the way we work. It didn’t . Your still going to need new drivers to run old componenets and this will take time.

Will it be more stable i don’t think so. on any computer if you install software that uses the same parts at the same time will crash the system its a fact.

In time we will see if it is any better.

Rilla927

Hi folks,

I’m new to the forum and thought I would comment.

Windows Vista will not allow kernel manipulation. So all the money you have invested in security software that uses this will not work with Vista.

I can’t imagine that consumers will like forking out this kind of money and not be able to use their choice of security software. So therefore, you really don’t own the computer with that OS, Bill Gates does. Microsoft wants you to rely soley on his security software only to protect that computer.

I can see a lot of refunds being made when people purchase Vista and get it home and find out they can’t use their own choice of security.

This whole Vista thing is very dissappointing to me. Gates has all the security vendors in an uproar over this.

I’m running XP Pro and have multiple image backups. I will run it even after it’s not supported anymore because I refuse to be told what software I can use on my own computer. I’m wondering how much longer he will support XP in order to force people to Vista.

I have been looking at alternatives for when this time comes. By then I will have figured out what I’m going too and it won’t be windows unless there is a major change in Vista, but I doubt that.

Are we allowed to post links? I have some very interesting material on Vista that I think everyone should be aware of. Awarness is always better than getting short changed.

Regards,

Rilla927

davidsplash

post your links.

microsoft basically wnat us to upgrade to just their software.

Then basically is this fair trade, or health competition? No

It basiaclly means hackers and virus makers will have a feild day as microsoft will not be able to keep up with them. It is possible to remotley disable vista from another computer via the internet without being logged into that computer. Tried it and if i can do it a proper hacker can.

Basically windows 2000 and xp are better cause they allow computer security compies to be able to write software for these computers and keep them ahead of the hackers. if you look at firefox it is better than internet explorer.

I have also been informed via a microsoft employee that eventually only special licenes will be issued to companies and if that license is not granted their software will noit run on microsoft windows.

This i’m told will stop virus getting onto the system.

It’ll mean microsoft force us to use their products and what incentive will microsft have to keep their product updated none cause no competition.

The future is either linusx or winodows xp or 2000

it is possible for other companies to do the security fixes for these systems and keep them alive long after microsft has abandoned them.

Rilla927

microsoft basically wnat us to upgrade to just their software.

You are absolutely right!

It basiaclly means hackers and virus makers will have a feild day as microsoft will not be able to keep up with them. It is possible to remotley disable vista from another computer via the internet without being logged into that computer. Tried it and if i can do it a proper hacker can.

I believe it. And Gates wants us to trust is software only, he’s out of his mind.

Basically windows 2000 and xp are better cause they allow computer security compies to be able to write software for these computers and keep them ahead of the hackers. if you look at firefox it is better than internet explorer.

I agree 110%.

This i’m told will stop virus getting onto the system.

This is not going to stop virus’s. He is opening up an epidemic of computers to be virus laden. This is going to blow up in his face.

It’ll mean microsoft force us to use their products and what incentive will microsft have to keep their product updated none cause no competition.

I agree! I don’t have that kind of trust to put into Microsoft to protect my OS. To this day he hasn’t been able to do it.

The future is either linusx or winodows xp or 2000

I have been looking at some Linux stuff myself. I think there is going to be an astronomical amount of people switching eventually, because of this.

it is possible for other companies to do the security fixes for these systems and keep them alive long after microsft has abandoned them.

Yes, you are right. I’m going to gather those links and post back. Wait until you read some of this. I almost spit my teeth out, laughing.

Take care,

Rilla927

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Rilla927

Here ya go.

http://wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=143678

http://www.softsphere.com/articles/boycott-microsoft-windows-vista/

http://www.agnitum.com/news/kernel_patch_protection.php

http://wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=143245

http://wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=142074

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1999241,00.asp

Rilla927

P.S - Links fixed

spwolf

p.s. new 3600 build is rocking, isnt it?

stevencbk

where do I go to check my private messages?

amh209

I don’t know about switching to Linux, but I see people not upgrading to Vista until they buy a new computer. I have four computers with XP and my folks have one with XP. I can’t find a need to upgrade any of them to Vista. Maybe I’m missing something, but all the computers we have does everything my wife, daughter, and myself need them to do. My folks computer does everything they need it to do. We have AV and firewall software installed on each. Also using a router with SPI. So far, none of the computers have had a virus. I spent a few minutes educating everyone about opening e-mail attachments and about phishing attacks. XP is very stable for us, no blue screens. XP runs all the software that we want it to run. My machine plays all the games I want. I just don’t see a need to upgrade. I keep reading articles about how Vista will improve security, but so far we have been safe with XP. Why should I switch to anything else (Vista or Linux)?

guido

If I have a Volkswagen that works, that doesn’t mean I don’t want to drive a Ferrari.

I have been using vista for 1 day and I think it’s great.

Guido

amh209

I just don’t see a Ferria’s worth of new features. It looks more like an Ford Explorer (XP) and Ford Excursion (Vista). Both are SUVs. One may tow a little more, but not enough to justify the upgrade.

Trust me, I’m looking for a good reason to buy Vista when it comes out, but I have to get the approval from the boss (wife) and right now I can’t find a good reason yet.

I’ll keep reading and watching.

davidsplash

there is one majpr flaw with vista at the moment. One minutes software runs on it next it doesn’t.

untill they actually come out with a standard vista that can run software all the time not just when microsoft wants it then i’m not buying it.

spwolf

RC2 is pretty nice actually… works much better than previous builds…

guido

I am waiting for a few important (PA & Alcohol) pieces of software to work on Vista.

After that it’s Vista only for me. I think it works great.

Guido

MathewJL

I have used both vista and XP. Hands down I find vista to be a more capable OS. Still new it may have a hickup from time to time but the updates usually resolve this. More options, more customizability, more security and it is really really pretty.

I decided to write this post after watching “i’m a mac, I’m a PC” commercial. I feel this gives a horrible unrealistic view of vista. Before judging vista, try it! If you still don’t enjoy the environment perhaps a mac is more your thing.

abiallan

dont b in dilemma:eek:

if u lik XP then go along wit it, dont think abt viasta…:p

if u loves vista then install it…

i think both are equall expect some features…

davidsplash

If vista was any good why are they developing windows 7 cause its like windows 95 and 98 windows 95 was revolutionary but it had loads of bugs not ironed out. Windows 98 was windows 95 with the bugs fixed. Goes to show that windows 2000 went to xp and from xp to a new operating system structure vista now vista is buggy so they are sorting the bugs and going to windows 7

windows 7 is actually vista bug fix which microsoft want to charge us for.

crazzycat

As a simple user i can say that Vista is very quick system but it need a lot of free place on pc that not everybody can provide

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