Backup problem Beta 5 German

TSchm

I cannot adjust the scheduling of a backup job. The input mask of these backup options seems to be incomplete.

TBGBe

Try using “Erweiterte Optionen” (“Advanced Options”).

TSchm

This does not help. See my screenshot for all available options.

And when I click on ‘Bearbeiten’ (Edit), the same page as in my first post opens. No option to change the day of the week or to modify the hour of creation.

spwolf

Hi,

you can use Once per day + Advanced options, which will give you enough options to select time you want… thanks!

TSchm

When the setting is set to Daily (‘Einmal täglich’) clicking on the Advanced options button causes no effect (no window appearing).

spwolf

@TSchm:

When the setting is set to Daily (‘Einmal täglich’) clicking on the Advanced options button causes no effect (no window appearing).

try closing backup and reopning it with daily set at the time you close it. Seems some issue with Windows XP and our daily scheduler.

You can also edit scheduler from backup list window as well, and that should work.

TSchm

Ok, after closing and re-opening of the options dialog I can get the Advanced options page. But I cannot change there to weekly. And I don’t understand the advanced setting at all. I cannot set any options there and clicking on the ‘Edit’ button (my second post) returns me to the original window (now opened twice).

spwolf

@TSchm:

Ok, after closing and re-opening of the options dialog I can get the Advanced options page. But I cannot change there to weekly. And I don’t understand the advanced setting at all. I cannot set any options there and clicking on the ‘Edit’ button (my second post) returns me to the original window (now opened twice).

it is not that complicated, just look around.

You can set starting date and after how many days it is repeated - if you set every 7 days, you get weekly backup basically.

TSchm

If I use the standard Windows tools to set up the scheduling (Task planner) then options window is correct and I can change the settings in proper way.

But I cannot access these setting using the Edit functions of PA. There I always get the buggy dialogs as shown above with no way to set up the options correctly. There is definitly a problem with this inside the PA!

spwolf

@TSchm:

If I use the standard Windows tools to set up the scheduling (Task planner) then options window is correct and I can change the settings in proper way.

But I cannot access these setting using the Edit functions of PA. There I always get the buggy dialogs as shown above with no way to set up the options correctly. There is definitly a problem with this inside the PA!

ok… I am not sure what are we supposed to say - you can do it via daily option but you can also use windows scheduler… whatever you want…

thanks!

TSchm

@spwolf:

ok… I am not sure what are we supposed to say - you can do it via daily option but you can also use windows scheduler… whatever you want…

thanks!

No, I want to say that I can ONLY do it via the Windows scheduler. The options in the PA do NOT work.

spwolf

doing daily, and then selecting every 7 days instead of every day, does not work? Does it not save?

I tried it on Vista and seems to work fine?

TSchm

@spwolf:

doing daily, and then selecting every 7 days instead of every day, does not work? Does it not save?

I tried it on Vista and seems to work fine?

The problem is that I don’t have the option to select 7 days in the advanced setting (as you can see in my second screenshot). Please notice the difference in the window when I access the same page with the Windows Task scheduler as in the picture attached to this post.

And any selection in the normal setting window does not have any effect (see my first screenshot).

spwolf

what do you get when you select daily backup and then advanced? Show me that screen please…

TBGBe

@TSchm:

This does not help. See my screenshot for all available options.

And when I click on ‘Bearbeiten’ (Edit), the same page as in my first post opens. No option to change the day of the week or to modify the hour of creation.

Oh - misunderstood you.
The time is selected on the first screen.

The weekly (or monthly) day of activation starts from TODAY - i.e. it uses the day of creation of the pbs as the beginning of the weekly/monthly schedule :p

However, you are correct, after changing time on the first screen the display of time under advanced does NOT change
Nor does it change the time of the scheduled task under windows/tasks

TBGBe

@spwolf:

what do you get when you select daily backup and then advanced? Show me that screen please…

Advanced is disabled for “daily backup” - clicking button does nothing.

spwolf

@TBGBe:

Advanced is disabled for “daily backup” - clicking button does nothing.

you need to close pbs and try again, or do it through backup list schedule edit…

TBGBe

This is very confusing

Open/Edit existing pbs with schedule “Once a week @ 05:00”
Change schedule to “Once a day”
– Advanced Options :: no effect
Close pbs
Open/Edit pbs - schedule “Once a day @ 05:00”
– Advanced Options works :: “05:00 every day”
Change schedule to “Once a week” (leave time @ 05:00)
– Advanced Options works :: but “00:00 every Friday”
(so PA changed time to 00:00 but first screen still shows 05:00).
Close pbs
Open/Edit pbs - schedule “Once a week @ 05:00”
– Advanced Options works :: still “00:00 every Friday”

So now Schedule and Advanced Options do not agree (time).
Now, change to “once a month” or “once a week”, doesn’t matter: Advanced always shows 00:00 - can open/close pbs as much as you want.

Thus

we cannot set the time for week or month backups.
we cannot change the day of activation for week or month backups (always <today>using Day name or Date).

Edit: what is monthly date for September if create pbs on 31 August?
Would September backup be missed?</today>

spwolf

@TBGBe:

This is very confusing

Open/Edit existing pbs with schedule “Once a week @ 05:00”
Change schedule to “Once a day”
– Advanced Options :: no effect
Close pbs
Open/Edit pbs - schedule “Once a day @ 05:00”
– Advanced Options works :: “05:00 every day”
Change schedule to “Once a week” (leave time @ 05:00)
– Advanced Options works :: but “00:00 every Friday”
(so PA changed time to 00:00 but first screen still shows 05:00).
Close pbs
Open/Edit pbs - schedule “Once a week @ 05:00”
– Advanced Options works :: still “00:00 every Friday”

So now Schedule and Advanced Options do not agree (time).
Now, change to “once a month” or “once a week”, doesn’t matter: Advanced always shows 00:00 - can open/close pbs as much as you want.

Thus

we cannot set the time for week or month backups.

we cannot change the day of activation for week or month backups (always <today>using Day name or Date).

Edit: what is monthly date for September if create pbs on 31 August?
Would September backup be missed?</today>

Are you trying to tell us we should simply ignore weekly and monthly options as they are right now and use daily option which can be customized to the point of being anything you want - 3 days, 7 days, 15 days, 30 days, etc…. ?

Seems like better option to me personally.

TBGBe

@spwolf:

Are you trying to tell us we should simply ignore weekly and monthly options as they are right now and use daily option which can be customized to the point of being anything you want - 3 days, 7 days, 15 days, 30 days, etc…. ?

Seems like better option to me personally.

I think we should be able to configure:-
daily :- what time of day

weekly :- which day of week AND what time of day

monthly :- what time of day AND what date in month including e.g. last day of month (as a setting)

The day/date should not be fixed at<today>
The time should not be fixed at 00:00 nor at <now>.

Maybe simplest to keep current fixed options for ease of use; and add a “custom” option which is fully configurable?</now></today>

spwolf

Daily option is one that can be customized to whatever you need…

TBGBe

@spwolf:

Daily option is one that can be customized to whatever you need…

So how do I create a backup with following schedules -

Today is Saturday 30 Aug 12:00

Create weekly pbs to run at 06:00 on Thursday ?
Create monthly pbs to run at 18:00 on 15th ?

Only way I see is to change PC date/time??

spwolf

Please check RC1 via web update and let us know if everything works properly now.

thank you!

spwolf

(meaning: if daily works)

TSchm

Has there been any modification in the actual release? RC1 shows the same bad behaviour as Beta5 on my computer.

spwolf

@TSchm:

Has there been any modification in the actual release? RC1 shows the same bad behaviour as Beta5 on my computer.

nope, there is no time for that - you can configure daily option to whatever you want and you should use that…

we will improve on weekly/monthly in the first update after final is released…

spwolf

Please try with final pre-release version:
http://www.powerarchiver.com/test/release10/powarc1100rc5.exe

And let us know if this has been improved right away.

thanks!

spwolf

p.s. confusion here was that Vista and XP schedule options are different - Vista’s worked ok, while on XP it did not (should work now when you click on Edit!)